Preview Episode (7) The Gift

[Cat]

[Cat]

Hummm, it seems they're keeping the Blue Hand thing alive. Wonder what that will mean?

[Karen]

well I guess we found out tonight about the blue hand...I CAN"T believe he committed suicide...I shed tears...and the dead crow thing...
...and so shocked previews about the daughter showing up??? A wow of an episode last night.

[Cat]

I finally got to see it last night. You're so right about it being a pivotal episode. It really made a lot of sense to me that there would be multitudes of people who didn't see anything in their FF and that they would find a way to group together, since they were kinda traumatized by the fact.

I totally understand about the suicide. He couldn't live with the fact that he would be responsible for the death of the woman with twins. Logic dictates that if he (Agent Gough) were not there - she might live - thus The Gift.

Now, onto the Blue Hand arrest. Do you remember what premise they used to arrest the doctor? First of all, I believe that suicide being against the law is just flat out stupid. There should be no more basic civil right than the decision to die. I feel very strongly that Dr. Kevorkian and all of his ilk should be free to assist those who want to leave this mortal plane. Then of course in my philosophy, we will all be back to start over in a baby body for the next life. It is my opinion that suicide is a very strong survival instinct. I know that sounds oxymoronic, but if a person feels they can no longer live in their current circumstance, they will take their own life – to survive.

[Karen]

Well we're on opposite poles on this one...I believe life is scared from conception until a natural death. I saw agent Gough's act as what he thought was a self sacrifice to save the lady with the twins...but if you know something bad is going to happen in your FF...why couldn't he just prevent it? That knowledge is power.
I thought it was sad...there was so much despair..that's what happens when people don't have hope.

[Cat]

I think it depends ultimately on what you believe “life” to be. I am a resident of my body – but am NOT the body. Conception to me is no more than the joining of the particular cells that will eventually become a body, that a “being” (essence or spirit) can then choose to inhabit. I think that most religions teach that you are not the body, because they tell you that you will end up in either heaven or hell, but we all know that the body only lays dormant in a grave after it has died.

One of the great things about the concept of this show is it’s skill in bringing out these questions to be discussed.

How do you feel about euthanasia? Do you feel that someone at deaths door should remain there in pain, until the body dies? If so, what about the same circumstance for pets or any animal?

[Karen]

The show is provocative...and certainly fuels great discussons.
I do believe that life begins at conception...what is forming in the womb is a human being with all the properties and characteristics of human life and will continue to grow and develope and be born intact....body and soul. I think religions teach that the body is to be respected...and the soul nourished...and that the body does die..but our souls live on....with a greater Love and consciencousness. (sp)

I would find it humerous to think any "being" would have chosen to inhabit my body after I was born...if I had that 'choice' I'd have picked someone healthy, pretty,& smart....never would have "picked" my relatives either! So I'm at a loss at what that means. I can't wrap my mind around reincarnation because I
don't see the point in having past lives and learning and progressing to some ultimate level if you can't remeber where or who you've been.?

Well I think life is precious...and no one has the right to take a life...except in
total self defense.( I don't believe in the death penalty either.) But that doesn't mean that people should suffer. I've worked in hospitals since 1966 and have witnessed many deaths. People do not have to suffer and be in pain. The problem is that because we have certain technology we apply it maybe when we shouldn't. We have a tendency to prolong what should be a natural death
in hospitals by the use of respirators etc instead of just keeping the patient comfortable and dying with compassion and dignity. I've watched my parents and Mark's parents die. Once there is no hope of any quality of life then you have to make the right decision.
IAs far as pets go...some reigions teach they do not have souls...I'm not sure. I think they are creations of God too...and should be cared for. I think there is a special place in Hell for people who abuse animals &...torture..etc. All I can say is I loved Phoebe the cat...she died at home with us all around..and it seemed like natural passing from this life...there was a peace about it...she did not appear to suffer...Circle died by lethal injection and it was the most horrendous experience of my life. To hold her as the light went out of her eyes is something that was almost too much to bear....and she struggled against it until the drugs kicked in...it was the longest few minutes of my life.

[Cat]

Very well thought out and articulate, Karen. As for body selection, it’s a matter of strength. Beings gain and or lose ability to select a body dependant on how they’ve chosen to live other lifetimes. So, if you were a mean S.O.B. this life, you’ll lose the potency necessary to fight off stronger beings for the best bodies in the next. Make sense?

I also am very much against the death penalty. The reasons are quite different, however. I don’t think we should reward someone for doing something heinous by letting them escape to the next body. We had a laughable saying as kids “D.D.D.S.” which meant Don’t Drop Dead. . . Suffer. You never really escape “Karma”. It may not impinge itself on this lifetime but look out in the next! People who abuse and torture animals will pay the price eventually. More than likely they will not have the power to obtain a human body the next time around and WILL suffer the consequences of being at the mercy of their keepers.

Circle is the example I was looking for. You loved her completely and suffered immense pain from her death but you didn’t choose to let her suffer. You let her go – regardless of the pain it caused you.

[Karen]

Nope...it doesn't. Sorry. I believe in free will..the power of the intellect..and the grace of God. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. I really just don't ssee the point in selection..learning...and
paying something off...it all looses it for me if you have no consciousness of it or remember your past sins or strengths in some other life form....I think we have this one mortal life.

I don't think Circle was ready to go...that's the problem...she fought against it....it wasn't natural to me. It was a procedure to do that was supposed to make it easier for us...not the other way around. I wish I had the words to explain it. She could have been kept comfortable until the end...but that takes money we didn't have. I think it is a slippery slope...if it becomes too easy to end a life. ...any life.

As for the death penalty....horrible fact that innocent people have been executed.... and I think the death penalty is racist. If someone is guilty tey can rot in prison. I would never want to be a judge..or on a jury in a death penalty case. Now that I think of it..i wouldn't want to be one period.

[Cat]

Yes, we can agree to disagree. I expect that Circle would fight. Survival is the strongest instinct, and we all share it. I'm with you on the death penalty completely. Let 'em rot in jail. . . and I wouldn't want to sit on a jury either. I think we've both watched and read enough about the jury process that it would be a simple task for us to be excluded. Just answer what they don't wanna hear! LOL

[Karen]

I thought after I posted this that probably from the beginning of time mankind has been trying to explain the world around them. Why
did this happen.? Why didn't this happen? Life is complex...sometimes hard, often unfair, but also beautiful. So being rational creatures we try to come up with answers for things that can't be explained. Sometimes it's just a matter of faith for me.